Sunday, April 19, 2015

Meeting Friday April 17th

     On Friday, Shaden, Brandon, and I (Colin) met up at Joes Coffee at 2pm to prepare for our meeting with Professor Charles Nathan Haas, an expert in environmental engineering.  Unfortunately, Kean had a lacrosse game and was unable to join us, but during this time, we went over all the questions we had come up with to make sure we covered everything required for our interview.  At 2:30pm, we then went and met with Professor Haas in Curtis 251.  He helped us a lot with our project and answered every question to the best of his abilities.  Professor Haas helped show us that it will be hard to compare the different types of waste from the transportation of trash, landfills, and incineration plants.  Another big topic that he pointed out was the use of ash after incineration.  Large amounts of ash are created and this can be sold for a profit to be used for many different reasons such as fertilizer or building materials.  This meeting was a big help and we are going to try and schedule more meetings in the future to help us along this project.  The interview questions and answers are located below:

Background Information on Professor Haas
o   Teaches
§  ENV302
§  Senior design
§  Environmental engineering 300 (intro environmental engineering)
§  Guest lecture in 201
·       Results of Incineration:
o   Bottom ash
§  Left at the bottom of the furnace after incineration
o   Gas from combustion
§  Lots of pollutants
§  Captured by air pollution control devices
·       Create solid or liquid waste material
·       Residual pollutants left in gas
o   CO2à climate change
o   Small amounts of Sulfer dioxide and nitrogen dioxide
§  Smog
o   Small amounts of heavy metals and organic contaminates
§  Possibly toxic
·      What are your general views on trash incineration?
§  It was oversold
§  Very popular in 70s/80s
§  People were overly optimistic to economics
§  Underestimated its complexity
·      Especially with upfront material separation
§  Case study in Harrisburg
·      Contracted out to private company
·      Gone into bankruptcy
§  Not eliminating waste
§  Changing ground water problems to air pollution problems
·      Incineration plants (at least the one I've been to) claim that all the waste is water vapor.  Do you think this is better than the methane and runoff caused by landfills?
§  Find a way to compare the two
§  Life cycle analysis
§  Illuminate all inputs and outputs
§  Assign value to adverse effect with inputs and outputs
§  Landfills
·      Leaking
·      Methane gas
·      Failure of liners
·      Ground water contamination
·      Not all parts of the country are suitable
·      In Sweden, the focus of our project, they import trash from other countries in Europe.  This causes pollution from trucks.  Is this better in your opinion than the pollution caused by landfills?
§  Importing Widely used
§  Barge or rail
·      Why aren’t incineration plants used widely in the US?
§  Large upfront investment
§  Philadelphia used to have incinerators
§  For reasonable size flow, 100 million dollar investment
§  Few private investors want to take the risk
§  Complexity and financing
·      In total, Sweden gets about 8% of their energy from these plants.  In your opinion, is this worth the damages done to the environment?
§  Land is more valuable in Europe
§  More open space in US
§  Availability to cite landfills is difficult
§  Methane capture is easier technology to implement
·      Capturing significant amounts of green house gasses
·      More compared to incineration
§  Can generate electricity from methane by combustion or fuel cells
·      Is there a long-term effect caused by these incineration plants?
§  Other than direct pollution:
§  Long life
§  How to clean
§  What do you do with it
§  Local contaminates
§  Needs to be restored
·      This process creates a large amount of ash.  Can this ash be disposed of in an environmentally friendly way? Can this ash be sold or used?
§  Ash has value
§  Used in construction
·      Asphalt and concrete
·      Bricks out of ash
§  Google ash and reuse
·      Can we recycle more of what is incinerated?
§  Higher amount of front end recycle in Sweden
·      House hold and business level separation
§  Mixed recycle in most of US
§  Separate bins for paper, glass, metal, ect
·      In some states
§  Purer recycle = higher value
§  Left over has higher combustion value
·      What would stop countries from incineration other than financial?
§  Air pollutants dispending in atmosphere depends on weather
§  High frequency of stagnant air doesn’t have dispersion in atmosphere
§  Social acceptance
·      NIMBY
·      Not in my back yard
·      Local objections
·      Remote facilities:
o   Not much population
o   Not many communities
o   Locals wont agree to being dumping ground
o   Regional rivalries
o   Citing is large issue
o   Some states allow local land use to be preempted
§  Most do not
o   All goes back to economics    
  •   Conclusion:
    • Technically phisable but economically not realistic
-CB

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